Subtitled: Why do people fall for this crap?

Now, I have fairly good junkmail controls, so I never even see most of this stuff. But every now and then, someone who I have whitelisted will forward on some piece of internet mythology, thereby evading the the guardians at the gate.

Usually, it’s something fairly inane, or even humorous. And equally often, I reply to the message with a link to the corresponding article on Snopes debunking the myth. Makes me feel all superior and intellectual like.

However, once in a blue moon, something sneaks in that can only be described as racial, ethnic, or religious hate spam. And this really burns my ass. I’m a pretty tolerant kind of guy. Most of my friends and family are too. It ticks me off that this kind of hatred even exists. It makes me sad to think that people I know and care about might fall for some of it.

I’m going to post one I just got this afternoon, along with my rebuttal. I’m going to post it because it really pissed me off, and hopefully it will work it’s way into search engines so that maybe, just maybe, someone who gets this in their inbox will do a bit of research and come across my rebuttal.

First Up: The Bullshit.

Subject: A must read

Very interesting read.

Having lived in the Detroit area I can concur with this, we have more Muslims moving into Detroit/Dearborn neighborhood monthly and they are very active in the schools, preaching all the time about their “rights” and how tolerant we should be of their faith. However toleration is a one way street with them. We are to learn about Ramadan, etc. But they are not to learn about Easter or Christmas.

What is below is very true.

The Basics of Islam

This is a must read — it’s short but Very informative! The Muslim religion is the fastest growing religion per capita in the United States, especially in the minority races!

Allah or Jesus?
By Rick Mathes

Last month I attended my annual training session that’s required for maintaining my state prison security clearance. During the training session there was a presentation by three speakers representing the Roman Catholic, Protestant and Muslim faiths, who explained each of their beliefs.

I was particularly interested in what the Islamic Imam had to say. The Imam gave a great presentation of the basics of Isla m complete with a video.

After the presentations, time was provided for questions and answers.

When it was my turn, I directed my question to the Imam and asked:

“Please, correct me if I’m wrong, but I understand that most Imams and clerics of Islam have declared a holy jihad [Holy war] against the infidels of the world. And, that by killing an infidel, which is a command to all Muslims, they are assured of a place in Heaven. If that’s the case, can you give me the definition of an infidel?”

There was no disagreement with my statements and without hesitation, he replied, “Non-believers!”

I responded, “So, let me make sure I have this straight. All followers of Allah have been commanded to kill everyone who is not of your faith so they can go to Heaven. Is that correct?”

The _expression on his face changed from one of authority and command to that of a little boy who had just been caught with his hand in the cookie jar.

He sheepishly replied, “Yes”.

I then stated, “Well, Sir, I have a real problem trying to imagine Pope John Paul II commanding all Catholics to kill those of your faith, or Dr. Stanley ordering Protestants to do the same in order to go to Heaven!”

The Imam was speechless. I continued, “I also have a problem with being your friend when you and your brother clerics are telling your followers to kill me. Let me ask you a question. Would you rather have your Allah who tells you to kill me in order to go to Heaven, or my Jesus who tells me to love you because I am going to Heaven and He wants you to be with me?”

You could have heard a pin drop as the Imam hung his head in shame.

Needless to say, the organizers and or promoters of the “Diversifica tion” training seminar were not happy with Rick’s way of dealing with the Islamic Imam and exposing the truth about the Muslim beliefs.

I think everyone in the U.S. Should be required to read this, but with the liberal justice system, liberal media, and the ACLU, there is no way this will be widely publicized.

Please pass this on to all your e-mail contacts. This is a true story and the author, Rick Mathes, is a well-known leader in prison ministry.

Next: The Rebuttal.

It’s BS.

The majority of Imams preach tolerance and peace. The concept of “Jihad” is within the Quran, but it is strictly preached (in the Quran), as only to be used when neccessary to protect believers.

Certain radical clerics have taken all other religions to be an assault on the Islamic faith, therefore justifying a “Jihad” against all non-believers. These clerics are in the minority (although an outspoken minority). Most Islamic clerics preach peace and tolerance, as these concepts are far more predominant in the teachings of Allah.

While I can’t say for sure about the origin of this particular story, it sounds like typical FUD mongering (Fear Uncertainty Doubt). Certain statements are patently, and provably, untrue.

eg: “The Muslim religion is the fastest growing religion per capita in the United States”

The best polling data currently available stems from a 2001 ARIS study. This study puts Wicca as the fastest growing religion (by percentage growth) in the US, and by a fairly wide margin. (Way To Go New Age Flakes!).

Christianity is actually growing faster, in pure numbers, than Islam, both worldwide and in North America. Christianity’s huge early lead ensures that it will continue to grow faster than Islam, in pure numbers, thanks to a little thing called “statistical average birthrate.” Christians (at 31% of the world pop and 77% of the pop of North America) breed just as fast as Muslims (at 20% of the world pop and 0.5% of the pop of North America). Because there are many more Christians to start with, they crank out more Christian babies than Muslims crank out Muslim babies. It would take absolutley breathtaking rates of religious conversion for Muslims to catch up within the next 100 years or so. And for them to become the fastest growing Religion in the US would take an absolutely stunning mass migration. Right now, they migrate to the US at about 1/100th the rate that Mexicans do. Mexicans tend to be Catholic.

“I understand that most Imams and clerics of Islam have declared a holy jihad [Holy war] against the infidels of the world. And, that by killing an infidel, which is a command to all Muslims, they are assured of a place in Heaven.”


Certain radical clerics do preach this, but nowhere is this taught in the Quran. Also, it goes against the teachings of most Islamic Clerics. This is harder to prove, because no one keeps an exact census of “Radical” vs. “Moderate” Islamic clerics, but a couple of things point in favour of the moderates. Firstly: The heads of some of the largest Islamic sects meet with the Pope, various Protestant, Hindu, Buddist, and Jewish leaders, on a semi regular basis, to hammer out details on “spheres of influence,” much like modern nations do in the UN. Sure, it breaks down, from time to time, but overall, it works.

Also, a strong point in favour of the moderates being in the majority, is that if they weren’t, the US Army in Iraq and the rest of the Middle east, would have been turned into a big red smear in the desert a long time ago. Sure, 133,000 US troops, with all their techno gear, may sound like a lot of soldiers, but they’re surrounded by tens of millions of devout muslims. If the majority of them were led by Clerics telling them to kill all christians, the Americans would be wiped out virtually overnight. Techno gear is one thing. Vastly overwhelming numbers is something else altogether.

And Finally

Yes, clerics from various religions do partake in these types of sensitivity training seminars. The men who participate are very carefully screened by both members of their own religion, and by the officials of the agencies who hire them. As a result, the clerics who conduct these seminars are highly polished, eloquent individuals, as concerned about image as the slickest politician. Regardless of deeply held personal beliefs, any Cleric who participated in one of these training seminars would be far to shrewd to say something as inflammatory as this one did, or to be caught out by such a such a simple line of questioning. It would be akin to Bush standing at the presidential podium and, after a few simple questions from a reporter saying: “Sure, I really just went to war in Iraq because my buds over at Haliburton needed their stock propped up with a bunch of fat government contracts.”

As much as I’d love to see Bush admit to it, I don’t think he’s likely to.

4 Responses to “Racism and Hatred in the Inbox”

    Why did you fall for this? The whole point is to get a response…. which you obligingly provided….

    I’ve been getting these for over a month. Of course, they never “get” to me, since I use MailWasher. Regardless, it accomplishes nothing to respond.

    Really. It accomplishes nothing to respond. (Well, it let “them” know they found a viable email addy….)

    You missed the point, Vicki. This one was forwarded to me from someone I knew, and was whitelisted in my spam filters, otherwise it would have been blocked (it was actually “flagged” in spite of coming from a whitelisted addy). I took the time to respond because the person that forwarded it to me might actually have believed some of it.

    – John

    Huh. Unlucky you…. I guess one does wind up doing the “responsibility” stuff sometimes. (I gave that up for Lent and the rest of my life.) I’ve a couple of cousins who simply don’t get that I do NOT want to be on their 300-email forward lists…. I have triggers/filters that just delete those before I ever see them. And they only have my junk email addy anyway!

    Anyone wanting to forward email to me had better email me first to let me know…. of course, I don’t whitelist ANYONE – not even my daughter, who now has a 14 year old and a 9 year old sending email…. That’s the point to mailwasher, so that I can read mail on the server, and delete the inappropriate etc. before it hits my machine.

    Lovely little program – I’ve been using it since it was free, sent the guy a $20 donation for it during the first few months I had it, and got the now-you-pay-for-it version free when it went that direction. It’s still only $30 I think. Has saved me an UNIMAGINABLE amount of grief over the years….

    And for some pretty outspoken viewpoints on our idiot of a president:

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